This should help us cut down on the trolls. We recommend other instances do the same, because they will likely be targeted also.
I apologize for all their gore-posts as well, no one should have to see that. We’ll try to look for more admins from different time-zones as well to get them faster.
The two other possibilities we have currently as options, are turning on required email verification, and as a last resort, closing signups. I personally would rather not do either, but they are options.
Can you set it up so that we can invite friends with referral links (a la mastodon style) and it bypasses the application requirement? Maybe we have to apply to get the referral link activated.
Doing registration form with manual approval is a good first step. My 2 cents is you could also implementing an invite based registration where users are allowed to invite their trusted friends.
Similar to how reputable private trackers works. There is form registration, interview, or invite from existing members. If existing member invites too many leechers, the current member will get a warning and ban eventually. This system is mostly working for private trackers so far.
Are the invite systems usually e-mail based? If so, it would be cool to be able to generate 1-time use codes to invite friends, so that providing an e-mail is not required.
I think we need a new permission-level that allows a user to delete comments and ban other non-admin users, so we can have more “site-mods”, without substantially increasing risk of someone doing something undesirable with their power.
Maybe admins need “superuser” status to see / edit the site-config?
Imo its not necessary to go back to allowlist yet, and I’d rather add malicious instances to our blocklist. We’ve only had to add like 2 so far, but can easily add more.
This is a random idea, but what if instance admins could subscribe to another or multiple other instances block lists? It might be a useful mechanism to reduce duplicate work. Smaller instance admins could subscribe to larger instance block lists to share the moderation burden.
I don’t think I’d want to work to automate anything w/ respect to that, but you can use the API to get a list of any blocked instances : https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/site
I disagree. The far right users that chose to brigade Lemmy are not dumb, instead their moral compass is screwed up. Trolling requires smartness, even if the bait content itself is not a proof of intelligence.
I’m not talking about trolls, I’m talking about Nazis and these guys with fixed ideas, by definition, are never luminaries, less if they are simple guys and not rich people, the latter almost always only sympathize with fascism, because it is the political orientation that most favors the savage capitalism that favors them.
You did not need that GIF to tell me the nature of so many people. They are easily identifiable for the most part, so it is not that big of a deal. What we simply need is vigilant and educated users, and Lemmy does have that. Think of the audiences that will never come here permanently – Reddit NSFW users, Gab/Dissenter users, Kik/Omegle/Chaturbate users, /pol/ users (and typical chan users in general).
The majority of users in any herd are followers, that is how the leader concept works. So them having fixed ideas is again not the main concern. It just creates a sheep army, and they can all be defused in the same capacity they come. You find the origin and understand that so more future shepherds get discouraged, and therefore less sheeps mobilise.
Agree with this, naturally requires vigilance. But these, trolls, spamers and similar fauna, cannot be avoided by adding an email to the registry.
Spammers can perhaps be avoided by simply waiting an hour before sending the registration confirmation, since spammers often use temporary emails that expire earlier.
Now is not the time for it. Probably after Reddit goes public and crashes into an endless void, when the influx of users come here, after that phase things might change a lot. Lemmy needs to grow and become more significant in the mainstream.
A platform that forcibly asks for emails or other identifiers is suicide at this stage for a platform that also advocates FOSS, federation, modlog transparency and great civillity. Reddit does not do it, and there is still a lot of meaning to the anonymity they provide, despite being a giant platform.
I have not needed to allow Facebook or other 3rd party domains with Reddit, so I am unsure. Same goes with keyloggers. Keylogging and 3rd party tracking is a problem for people who use Chrome without ad blockers. Anyone who uses any half decent adblocker (even ABP) or Firefox does not have these issues.
This is just my opinion. Applications are reviewed on a case by case basis and is up to a vote by the existing admins.
Must haves:
A history of quality activity on Lemmy.ml or another instance we federate with, such as amicable discussion, links to reputable web resources, etc.
Frequently online. I’d say at least once a day is ideal, but I also understand that you’re a volunteer, and will reasonably have other things going on where you might be missing for several days or otherwise intermittent at times.
An interest in helping to develop the Lemmy community and ecosystem.
No recent violation of instance rules or Lemmy project code of conduct.
Is not currently banned from Lemmy.ml on another account.
Optional but could help your application:
History of reporting rule breaking content, particularly spam.
Has participated in discussions on Lemmy development or the the direction the Lemmy community is going.
Already a moderator of a community, or an admin on another instance (we will use your moderation history to assess your application).
Activity on the Lemmy Matrix rooms (please Link your Matrix).
Activity on the Lemmy project GitHub or other source control site that Lemmy is on, either as a code contributor or making/discussing pull requests (please Link your GitHub/other source control website).
It would also help to specify your time zone and the languages you know.
My 2 year old history with 1600+ comments is up for everyone.
Online twice a day. Also, active communication with users.
Have put myself on the frontlines multiple times. See soferman incident as example. https://lemmy.ml/post/69058
I have repeatedly stopped many incidents from happening.
I use zero sockpuppets and actively advocate against them, and have expertise in identifying sockpuppets via my stylometry, OSINT and OPSEC skills.
Optional:
Active moderator of c/privacy and c/technology, also c/privatelife
I contribute via comment suggestions and sometimes even modmail, to help improve Lemmy. This goes hand in hand with putting myself on the frontlines, and putting myself at risk in between crossfire.
I report a lot of issues and actively moderate reported posts and comments.
I am from India and I speak Hindi and English, so I can serve not just a wide timezone gap, but moderate a different kind of audience as well, compared to non-Indian foreigners here.
I connect to Lemmy.ml three times a day at minimum to read mostly.
Yes, I have. I use to try to even promote Lemmy here but it is difficult given the main focus in English content (by now).
To check too.
No
Optional:
To check as I don’t track myself on that since recently.
I think I can say that I did and do.
No, never thought on applying until now. I was not sure if I could hold the responsibility.
I am not in Lemmy Official Matrix room(s), I only helped to mount the unofficial spanish one ( https://matrix.to/#/#lemmy-es:mozilla.org ) and my Matrix account is @echedeylr:mozilla.org.
So wait? Does this effectively make lemmy more private of a forum then?
Its optional, and yes it can.
Admins could also tweak
register_per_secondandregisterparamsThe account registration UX is bad enough, why make it worse?
Would be nice to hear why you think it’s bad and how to improve it. Could you open an issue on the tracker?
The first five words of the title
Thanks a lot! I have implemented this in my instance too. This past week I was also saw several accounts being created to post ads.
Can you set it up so that we can invite friends with referral links (a la mastodon style) and it bypasses the application requirement? Maybe we have to apply to get the referral link activated.
Not opposed as long as someone else codes it lol. I’m a bit swamped.
Fantastic idea! I actually never thought about this, this could probably be done fediverse-wide.
Invite only instances would be also nice for self-hosting.
Doing registration form with manual approval is a good first step. My 2 cents is you could also implementing an invite based registration where users are allowed to invite their trusted friends.
Similar to how reputable private trackers works. There is form registration, interview, or invite from existing members. If existing member invites too many leechers, the current member will get a warning and ban eventually. This system is mostly working for private trackers so far.
Are the invite systems usually e-mail based? If so, it would be cool to be able to generate 1-time use codes to invite friends, so that providing an e-mail is not required.
Absolutely, have a code based invitation would be more privacy focused.
Blame the jews
Good to know
I think we need a new permission-level that allows a user to delete comments and ban other non-admin users, so we can have more “site-mods”, without substantially increasing risk of someone doing something undesirable with their power.
Maybe admins need “superuser” status to see / edit the site-config?
@dessalines@lemmy.ml what about allowing federation on an allowlist-only basis?
Imo its not necessary to go back to allowlist yet, and I’d rather add malicious instances to our blocklist. We’ve only had to add like 2 so far, but can easily add more.
This is a random idea, but what if instance admins could subscribe to another or multiple other instances block lists? It might be a useful mechanism to reduce duplicate work. Smaller instance admins could subscribe to larger instance block lists to share the moderation burden.
I don’t think I’d want to work to automate anything w/ respect to that, but you can use the API to get a list of any blocked instances : https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/site
If other lemmy sites doesn’t do the same, we should not federate with them.
G@y
Perhaps to avoid this type of user, a pre-school intelligence test would suffice.
I disagree. The far right users that chose to brigade Lemmy are not dumb, instead their moral compass is screwed up. Trolling requires smartness, even if the bait content itself is not a proof of intelligence.
I’m not talking about trolls, I’m talking about Nazis and these guys with fixed ideas, by definition, are never luminaries, less if they are simple guys and not rich people, the latter almost always only sympathize with fascism, because it is the political orientation that most favors the savage capitalism that favors them.
For the rest, the waving flags with the svastica tattooed can be seen as follows https://i.imgur.com/kqHNjpv.gif
You did not need that GIF to tell me the nature of so many people. They are easily identifiable for the most part, so it is not that big of a deal. What we simply need is vigilant and educated users, and Lemmy does have that. Think of the audiences that will never come here permanently – Reddit NSFW users, Gab/Dissenter users, Kik/Omegle/Chaturbate users, /pol/ users (and typical chan users in general).
The majority of users in any herd are followers, that is how the leader concept works. So them having fixed ideas is again not the main concern. It just creates a sheep army, and they can all be defused in the same capacity they come. You find the origin and understand that so more future shepherds get discouraged, and therefore less sheeps mobilise.
Agree with this, naturally requires vigilance. But these, trolls, spamers and similar fauna, cannot be avoided by adding an email to the registry. Spammers can perhaps be avoided by simply waiting an hour before sending the registration confirmation, since spammers often use temporary emails that expire earlier.
Now is not the time for it. Probably after Reddit goes public and crashes into an endless void, when the influx of users come here, after that phase things might change a lot. Lemmy needs to grow and become more significant in the mainstream.
A platform that forcibly asks for emails or other identifiers is suicide at this stage for a platform that also advocates FOSS, federation, modlog transparency and great civillity. Reddit does not do it, and there is still a lot of meaning to the anonymity they provide, despite being a giant platform.
Reddit and anonymity? 🤣 Reddit even pass user data to Facebook and worse, TowerData, the last even uses keylogger.
https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=reddit.com
Data to
https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=Neustar.com
and
https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=TowerData.com
This mean, all big tech nows the data from reddit users
I have not needed to allow Facebook or other 3rd party domains with Reddit, so I am unsure. Same goes with keyloggers. Keylogging and 3rd party tracking is a problem for people who use Chrome without ad blockers. Anyone who uses any half decent adblocker (even ABP) or Firefox does not have these issues.
What does a person need to apply as admin or moderator? (this last one in general communities driven by admins or thought at site level like asklemmy)
This is just my opinion. Applications are reviewed on a case by case basis and is up to a vote by the existing admins.
Must haves:
A history of quality activity on Lemmy.ml or another instance we federate with, such as amicable discussion, links to reputable web resources, etc.
Frequently online. I’d say at least once a day is ideal, but I also understand that you’re a volunteer, and will reasonably have other things going on where you might be missing for several days or otherwise intermittent at times.
An interest in helping to develop the Lemmy community and ecosystem.
No recent violation of instance rules or Lemmy project code of conduct.
Is not currently banned from Lemmy.ml on another account.
Optional but could help your application:
History of reporting rule breaking content, particularly spam.
Has participated in discussions on Lemmy development or the the direction the Lemmy community is going.
Already a moderator of a community, or an admin on another instance (we will use your moderation history to assess your application).
Activity on the Lemmy Matrix rooms (please Link your Matrix).
Activity on the Lemmy project GitHub or other source control site that Lemmy is on, either as a code contributor or making/discussing pull requests (please Link your GitHub/other source control website).
It would also help to specify your time zone and the languages you know.
Must haves:
Optional:
I am from India and I speak Hindi and English, so I can serve not just a wide timezone gap, but moderate a different kind of audience as well, compared to non-Indian foreigners here.
Must haves:
Optional:
Timezone: one less than Nutomic’s one
Languages: Spanish and English (not native, B1 certified)
I’ve forwarded your application to the admin Matrix room, thanks!
Thanks to you too.
For admins, you can express interest here, and we’ll look them over.
cc @k_o_t@lemmy.ml @AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml @nutomic@lemmy.ml @kixiQu@lemmy.ml
Works good