It’s funny how the Democrats were fine with all the ethically repulsive things Elon Musk did for years, until he tried to buy Twitter. Make no mistake, Liberals would still be buttering up papa Elon if it wasn’t the fight over Twitter. “Pedo Guy” should have been the wakeup call, but it wasn’t.
@yogthos@lemmy.ml you seem like a man with a plan, The libs who mistook him for a lib might realize he’s not a lib, and hopefully move left. Any way we can exploit this to make libs move left faster?
I find liberals are the hardest demographic to move left in practice. Liberals strongly believe in individualism above all else, and this precludes having a systemic view of the problems we face. In a liberal world view, it’s always the individual that’s the problem as opposed to the system. Traditionally, when push comes to shove liberals inevitably embrace fascism instead of moving left. I thought this was an excellent analysis of the ideology.
Libertarians like things like entrepreneurship and venture capitalism eh? What about… like venture leftism? Tell them starting up a union is like being a business owner! (union bosses make a lot more money than regular workers right?).
Venture neighborhood community pod might be harder since they’re not making much money from that. But something like “youre so dashing charismatic, instead of using your money, you use your charisma to build an organization and then put that on your resume and apply to be a ceo. Plus women dig that.”
Everyday is a new day and there are new potentially low hanging fruit to radicalize - what about cryptobros?
Judging from the subreddit, a lot of them are banking their 1000$ oncrypto to try to get a better standard of living. 1000$ and only a 1000 and they had to save up for months/weeks to have that amount of expendable cash.
Something involving the key phrases of:
“since the cryptomarket has crashed” (it actually has), “we should take the billionaires money and use that to improve our standard of living”, “billonaires gamble millions into the cryptomarket and get lucky and get richer, but if the market tanks, it doesn’t even affect them”.
Some shiza about the american dream involving leftist concepts that appeals to libertarians. Invoke the wallstreet bets gamespot play. It has to appeal to that individual responsibility bs.
I’m not sure how to try to appeal to them properly, or how to even go about contacting them in an effective manner (ex a self post on r/cryptocurrency?)
A government represents the interests of the class that holds power. In western countries, capitalists are in charge and the government is formed by this class to serve the interests of this class. So, the problem isn’t with the concept of a government but with whose interests the government represents. Working class needs to seize power and form a government that represents the interests of working people.
It’s funny how the Democrats were fine with all the ethically repulsive things Elon Musk did for years, until he tried to buy Twitter. Make no mistake, Liberals would still be buttering up papa Elon if it wasn’t the fight over Twitter. “Pedo Guy” should have been the wakeup call, but it wasn’t.
“coming out party”?? Lol
“Become”
Are we talking about liberals or libertarians?
According to wikipedia, these are not the same thing:
Liberals not libertarians. Liberals are basically the Democratic party in USA. Obama’s party
@yogthos@lemmy.ml you seem like a man with a plan, The libs who mistook him for a lib might realize he’s not a lib, and hopefully move left. Any way we can exploit this to make libs move left faster?
I find liberals are the hardest demographic to move left in practice. Liberals strongly believe in individualism above all else, and this precludes having a systemic view of the problems we face. In a liberal world view, it’s always the individual that’s the problem as opposed to the system. Traditionally, when push comes to shove liberals inevitably embrace fascism instead of moving left. I thought this was an excellent analysis of the ideology.
actually made a post instead of just asking you, reply their instead: https://lemmy.perthchat.org/post/31865 on c/communism101
Libertarians like things like entrepreneurship and venture capitalism eh? What about… like venture leftism? Tell them starting up a union is like being a business owner! (union bosses make a lot more money than regular workers right?).
Venture neighborhood community pod might be harder since they’re not making much money from that. But something like “youre so dashing charismatic, instead of using your money, you use your charisma to build an organization and then put that on your resume and apply to be a ceo. Plus women dig that.”
I don’t really see the point. There are already tried and tested methods for overthrowing capitalist regimes that don’t rely on libertarians.
Everyday is a new day and there are new potentially low hanging fruit to radicalize - what about cryptobros?
Judging from the subreddit, a lot of them are banking their 1000$ oncrypto to try to get a better standard of living. 1000$ and only a 1000 and they had to save up for months/weeks to have that amount of expendable cash.
Something involving the key phrases of:
“since the cryptomarket has crashed” (it actually has), “we should take the billionaires money and use that to improve our standard of living”, “billonaires gamble millions into the cryptomarket and get lucky and get richer, but if the market tanks, it doesn’t even affect them”.
Some shiza about the american dream involving leftist concepts that appeals to libertarians. Invoke the wallstreet bets gamespot play. It has to appeal to that individual responsibility bs.
I’m not sure how to try to appeal to them properly, or how to even go about contacting them in an effective manner (ex a self post on r/cryptocurrency?)
Cryptobros is just not the demographic I’d go after for radicalizing to be honest.
Your link is basically saying that we should be both anti-government and anti-business/anti capitalism. Unless I’m missing something?
A government represents the interests of the class that holds power. In western countries, capitalists are in charge and the government is formed by this class to serve the interests of this class. So, the problem isn’t with the concept of a government but with whose interests the government represents. Working class needs to seize power and form a government that represents the interests of working people.
https://lemmy.ml/post/311578/comment/205387
I’m talking about liberals here, I find libertarians are closest to anarchists ideologically.
Liberals used to love him because they liked electric cars. He’s always been awful, he’s just a great conman with good PR.
Pretty sure liberals still love him. The Musk Online Schutzstaffel is going strong.
he’s good with PR in the sense trump is good with PR - turns out thinly veiled bs appeals to a their bases respectively