I see a lot of down votes and conflict in privacy communities about which one is the best, but tbh, if you’re not using fb/sms/email you’re pretty much the top 1% of privacy users. So as far as we should be concerned, that’s good enough.
The debates about signal being better than matrix etc are fine to have, but IMO it’d be more productive if we spoke more about how to get granny, the boss, the nephew, etc on signal, matrix etc. Doesn’t matter how good any of our privacy apps are, I almost never meet a single person who uses any of them and have to default to fb. Most people over yonder haven’t even heard of the apps that aren’t telegram or signal.
IMO targeting the discorders(/telegramers) is the lowest hanging fruit. Discord/tg is already bridge compatible with matrix, if you can use LibreOffice, you can set up the t2bot discord-matrix bridge.
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Why are you listing email in the same category as big tech/Facebook?
You zoomers can’t tell 💩 from 🍫.
They didn’t try Delta Chat. That is the problem.
I think it all depends on your provider. Gmail/Microsoft/Yahoo aren’t going to respect your privacy. “Normies” aren’t about to rent a VPS or colo a server, spin up a *nix/BSD host, get dovecot/Mailcow running, and deal with DNS records and spam.
You have Disroot, Riseup, etc…
Right, my apologies, didn’t mean to imply the only 2 options are self hosted and unprivate dog shit. 😄
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Love the overall tone of your post, thanks for bringing an atmosphere of cooperative work instead of religious wars.
I think there is a balance between being friendly, open-minded, and pragmatic on one hand, while still being able to keep high expectations to keep pushing the projects we love and support in the right direction.
A simple example of what I mean is my position is of course Signal. I have many reasons to heavily criticize it, the first one for me being their obsession with centralization, refusing any federated model. To my eyes, this is a massive concern. But still, when I am asked advises on which messaging app to use for a group of friend, that are a little mindful about their privacy, while not being tech savvy at all, I talk about Signal (alongside Matrix or XMPP). Does that mean I am absolutely sold to it ? No ! Does it mean I will recommend matrix forever no matter what ? Of course not !
The context matters. If the whole world was on Signal, I would actively fight against it. But the thing is : the whole world is one Facebook. And I see little reason not to wish they were on Signal instead !
My point is : between people that care and are passionate about this sort of things, let’s have constructive debate and criticize the different alternatives, each other, and ourselves. But let’s keep in mind that we are in this together with people that won’t want (and legitimately so) to spend that much energy on those debates, and that being elitists assholes won’t help.
P.S. : Privacy is mostly a collective issue. I’m an anti-Facebook purist asshole, with no account. But there are pictures of me, anyway, comments about me and my life probably all around. If you want to be an efficient solo purist, you’d better stop talking to anyone, and doing anything social.
Try Delta Chat
2nd this.
Delta chat for a modern messaging app like feel and e2ee over email infrastructure. Basically e2ee chat over email. It uses autocrypt for e2ee
Use k9 mail(android) or thundebird(PC) as they also provide e2ee among all autocrypt clients.
This is how I feel about Linux. It does not really matter which one is best, the first step is to just get people to use it… if they are able to.
Messaging apps are even easier since people can use as many as they want at the same time. I regularly use 5-6 different messaging apps. I use at least 2-3 daily.
My girlfriend almost never used my matrix server until I set it up on her new phone. To my surprise she called me from it the other week when she was visiting her mother.
So like Microsoft teams, maybe it will be best to just set these up on our families phones and friends who are willing and just start using it. I was once told that it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
Anything that isn’t MANGA is a victory.
Well I guess I’ll have to stop reading Japanese comics /s
Yeah I had to do a double take on this. what does our beloved manga has to do with anything. dayum fb ruined one more thing by changing its name. this not fair guys we need to figure out somthing else to dis big tech.
here i am trying my normie friends to read manga and when they’ll see MANGA memes it would be so confusing.
Agree with all points, but sorry not leaving discord for something half-baked as Matrix (That bot genuinely seems good), or Telegram for something featureless as Signal. Privacy is important so long as it also is convenient. Granny isn’t abandoning facebook til everyone she knows has, that’s how things work, unfortunately.