Just looking at deaths is an oversimplification. A lot of people under 50 had to go to hospital with Covid-19 and might have died without care (i.e. if hospitals would have gotten overwhelmed). Also there is a significant number of younger people with long lasting symptoms after recovery and even permanent lung damage.
Yes thats what hospitals are for, to treat people when they get sick. Please give statistics for number of people eith permanent lung damage or similar.
Very few people under 50 have to go to hospital with the endemic flu.
I’ll try to find the study again about permanent lung damage, but I doubt there are good statistics on that and long covid yet. The real damage will likely only be known a few years after the pandemic.
There are excess mortality numbers that especially given how the covid-19 measures also reduced flu deaths, show that Covid-19 is massively worse than the endemic flu.
I don’t doubt that, do you have any numbers though, perhaps even for Omicron? I’d absolutely love for Omicron or a following variant to be as mild or milder than the flu because I am really getting tired of all of this.
Excess mortality only compares the typical number of deaths in previous years with those of of the current year. This is not detailed enough to give any hint about virus variants but it does show if there is something causing an unusual amount of deaths. Both 2020 and 2021 show significant spikes and by all likeliness it is Covid-19 that has caused this.
Its pretty obvious that Covid is getting less dangerous. Just have a look at the daily number of deaths in Spain (source). Meanwhile number of infections per day is reaching record highs, meaning each infection is less and less dangerous.
This is a normal development with more and more people having partial immunity through recovery or vaccination. That the virus itself might become less deadly is at best a minor factor and not clear at all yet.
Covid vaccination started in Spain on 27th December 2021, just in between the second and third wave you can see in the graph. As you can see, the second wave was already much less deadly than the first, and that was without lockdown. And so far only 15% of the population were ever infected with Covid. So its not clear to me that these two factors had a major influence.
The second/third wave was not less deadly at all, the curve was just flatter due to non-pharmaceutical interventions. It would have far exceeded the first wave if hospitals would have been overwhelmed.
As for the 15%… that is very likely an significant underestimation as Spain AFAIK isn’t testing randomly for antibodies.
The right: Covid is just like the flu! Stop worrying about it!
Also the right: The flu kills more people than covid (it doesn’t BTW)!
In 2022 Covid is just like a flu. Does that make me right?
It seems to be “just a flu” if you are vaccinated.
Or if you are under 50.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
Just looking at deaths is an oversimplification. A lot of people under 50 had to go to hospital with Covid-19 and might have died without care (i.e. if hospitals would have gotten overwhelmed). Also there is a significant number of younger people with long lasting symptoms after recovery and even permanent lung damage.
Yes thats what hospitals are for, to treat people when they get sick. Please give statistics for number of people eith permanent lung damage or similar.
Very few people under 50 have to go to hospital with the endemic flu.
I’ll try to find the study again about permanent lung damage, but I doubt there are good statistics on that and long covid yet. The real damage will likely only be known a few years after the pandemic.
It makes you right, in the sense that right means correct
How does Omicron compare to the flu, are there any usable numbers yet?
There are excess mortality numbers that especially given how the covid-19 measures also reduced flu deaths, show that Covid-19 is massively worse than the endemic flu.
I don’t doubt that, do you have any numbers though, perhaps even for Omicron? I’d absolutely love for Omicron or a following variant to be as mild or milder than the flu because I am really getting tired of all of this.
Excess mortality only compares the typical number of deaths in previous years with those of of the current year. This is not detailed enough to give any hint about virus variants but it does show if there is something causing an unusual amount of deaths. Both 2020 and 2021 show significant spikes and by all likeliness it is Covid-19 that has caused this.
Its pretty obvious that Covid is getting less dangerous. Just have a look at the daily number of deaths in Spain (source). Meanwhile number of infections per day is reaching record highs, meaning each infection is less and less dangerous.
This is a normal development with more and more people having partial immunity through recovery or vaccination. That the virus itself might become less deadly is at best a minor factor and not clear at all yet.
Covid vaccination started in Spain on 27th December 2021, just in between the second and third wave you can see in the graph. As you can see, the second wave was already much less deadly than the first, and that was without lockdown. And so far only 15% of the population were ever infected with Covid. So its not clear to me that these two factors had a major influence.
The second/third wave was not less deadly at all, the curve was just flatter due to non-pharmaceutical interventions. It would have far exceeded the first wave if hospitals would have been overwhelmed. As for the 15%… that is very likely an significant underestimation as Spain AFAIK isn’t testing randomly for antibodies.
Not really. People say it’s like the flu but AKAIK that’s more gut feeling than real data.