MOSCOW (AP) — Russian troops launched their anticipated attack on Ukraine on Thursday, as President Vladimir Putin cast aside international condemnation and sanctions, warning other countries that any attempt to interfere would lead to “consequences you have never seen.”
No it’s not. There’s not just peace and war. There’s in between. For example, in Syria, the US has never been in all at war with the Syrian government. They’ve used hybrid warfare and other methods. There was that one time as well where Trump ordered a tomahawk to destroy a Syrian air field. Still no all out war. And also when Trump ordered the assassination of Soleimani without engaging in warfare with Iran. Countries can engage in military attacks without invading or waging war.
You started by claiming this isn’t a “full scale invasion”, which if the goal is to “demilitarize” Ukraine will require that. Bolstering break-away provinces doesn’t require attacks on the capital. Russia has been using hybrid warfare in Ukraine since Crimea, but now this does begin to look like war and not some one-shot retaliatory strike.
Now it does, I agree. According to the Kremlin, the military operation was paused as it looked like Zelensky was willing to negotiate neutrality. Now that has fallen through, they have resumed the operation today, so it seems like tonight we will see a big escalation in military action now.
Demilitarization is just the reduction of armed forces. So yes you can demilitarize a country without a full scale invasion.
A lot of these videos have been fact checked as false and out of context
I mean, even twitter had this thing to debunk false claims https://twitter.com/i/events/1496815373936574469
Not saying that Russians aren’t in Ukraine right now, they could very well be, but I object strongly to people jumping to conclusions about a full scale invasion, when it looks like the real narrative is Russia has done a one off attack for political leverage.
You are from lemmygrad, so I assume you trust China at least somewhat. This was China’s stance. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-calls-restraint-ukraine-rejects-term-invasion-2022-02-24/
I wanted to post it, but lemmy wouldn’t do it for some reason
Let’s flip this. If the US was bombing Moscow’s airport and rolling tanks across the border, would you be calling for not being too hasty about calling it an invasion?
If I was living in a Russia dominated media and social media environment, and people were making false claims about the scale of USA’s actions for the purpose of warmongering, I absolutely would want people to be cautious
Russia has come out and said they did both of these things. It’s not under dispute.
Edit: Or there is so much reporting from a variety of sources that it is not open to dispute. And no, the Russian media is not comparable to the Western media. Russian media is just way more under the thumb of the government.
I variety of sources such as Ukrainian officials, your cousin on twitter, some random farmer in Kharkov. Many of the more extreme claims are being fact checked now.
Tonight, Ukrainian military invaded Luhansk, despite Russian recognition of LPR as independent Source
Despite knowing Russia would defend what they recognize as a sovereign country, they poked the bear.
Russia orchestrated a surgical strike to disable Ukraine’s military infrastructure and prevent them from killing any more people in Donbas. They succeeded completely in little over an hour. Reportedly the Azov Battalion headquarters has been destroyed as well, and leaders have fled to Poland. Too early to tell.
From everything I’ve seen so far, Russia is not occupying Ukraine. They are not invading Ukraine. Striking infrastructure outside of major cities was their goal.
I’ve never denied the first two things when they actually happened. You imply that I’m moving the goalposts but you can go through my history if you want. I’ve stayed consistent.
There is still no invasion into Ukraine. Fake news.
You’ve lost all credibility.
There was no full-scale invasion two days ago. I stand by what I said.
Just a half-scale invasion then? Is that like being half pregnant? It’s kind of either/or.
No it’s not. There’s not just peace and war. There’s in between. For example, in Syria, the US has never been in all at war with the Syrian government. They’ve used hybrid warfare and other methods. There was that one time as well where Trump ordered a tomahawk to destroy a Syrian air field. Still no all out war. And also when Trump ordered the assassination of Soleimani without engaging in warfare with Iran. Countries can engage in military attacks without invading or waging war.
You started by claiming this isn’t a “full scale invasion”, which if the goal is to “demilitarize” Ukraine will require that. Bolstering break-away provinces doesn’t require attacks on the capital. Russia has been using hybrid warfare in Ukraine since Crimea, but now this does begin to look like war and not some one-shot retaliatory strike.
Now it does, I agree. According to the Kremlin, the military operation was paused as it looked like Zelensky was willing to negotiate neutrality. Now that has fallen through, they have resumed the operation today, so it seems like tonight we will see a big escalation in military action now.
Demilitarization is just the reduction of armed forces. So yes you can demilitarize a country without a full scale invasion.
Literally within 3 hours of your comment.
https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1496753930625290240
A lot of these videos have been fact checked as false and out of context
I mean, even twitter had this thing to debunk false claims
https://twitter.com/i/events/1496815373936574469
Not saying that Russians aren’t in Ukraine right now, they could very well be, but I object strongly to people jumping to conclusions about a full scale invasion, when it looks like the real narrative is Russia has done a one off attack for political leverage.
You are from lemmygrad, so I assume you trust China at least somewhat. This was China’s stance.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-calls-restraint-ukraine-rejects-term-invasion-2022-02-24/
I wanted to post it, but lemmy wouldn’t do it for some reason
Let’s flip this. If the US was bombing Moscow’s airport and rolling tanks across the border, would you be calling for not being too hasty about calling it an invasion?
If I was living in a Russia dominated media and social media environment, and people were making false claims about the scale of USA’s actions for the purpose of warmongering, I absolutely would want people to be cautious
Russia has come out and said they did both of these things. It’s not under dispute.
Edit: Or there is so much reporting from a variety of sources that it is not open to dispute. And no, the Russian media is not comparable to the Western media. Russian media is just way more under the thumb of the government.
I variety of sources such as Ukrainian officials, your cousin on twitter, some random farmer in Kharkov. Many of the more extreme claims are being fact checked now.
The standard role call of disinformation, distortion, and denial. Weren’t you denying there were Russian troops on the border, just a few days ago?
I don’t remember denying there were Russian troops on the border. You might be confused
Tonight, Ukrainian military invaded Luhansk, despite Russian recognition of LPR as independent
Source
Despite knowing Russia would defend what they recognize as a sovereign country, they poked the bear.
Russia orchestrated a surgical strike to disable Ukraine’s military infrastructure and prevent them from killing any more people in Donbas. They succeeded completely in little over an hour. Reportedly the Azov Battalion headquarters has been destroyed as well, and leaders have fled to Poland. Too early to tell.
From everything I’ve seen so far, Russia is not occupying Ukraine. They are not invading Ukraine. Striking infrastructure outside of major cities was their goal.
“Russia is not
massing troopsbombinginvadingoccupying Ukraine.”I’ve never denied the first two things when they actually happened. You imply that I’m moving the goalposts but you can go through my history if you want. I’ve stayed consistent.
The Russians literally have boots and bombs on the ground in several major cities including Kiev. In what universe is that not an invasion?
Boots on the ground in Kiev? Are you serious? I have to see this. Let’s see where you’re getting this from.
Looking a little further, they’re trying to get boots on the ground by taking the Kiev airport.
Yeah so you were wrong, weren’t you? But let’s keep going. How do you know they took Kiev airport? Or even what their intentions are?
They’re attacking the airport right now with paratroopers.
It’s hard to do a lot worse than literally being wrong about an invasion every step of the way in real time.
That’s why @pingveno@lemmy.ml had to dip out of this thread without providing a single piece of evidence for what they’re saying
My deepest apologies. It was nearing midnight and I needed to go to sleep instead of writing the requested essay.
Because they didn’t respond to dozens of comments from you on a minute by minute basis? Get a grip. Nobody owes you that.
Really? Again, let’s see where you are getting this from.