A Chinese balloon is flying over the United States, raising concerns about Chinese espionage. While Chinese spying necessitates a tougher response, the United States should focus on technical espionage capabilities that pose a greater risk than spy balloons.
Like, they don’t need this for spying. Have you seen surveillance satellite technology lately? Like, we’re down to sub-centimeters of spatial resolution and clear enough images for a picture of a person taken from outer freaking space to be recognized by humans and facial recognization alike.
Also, as far as I know there was never anything in the way of steering it right? So if they wanted intel on anything specific like a military base or a research/development institution, this is totally useless. Depending on how far away they released it they wouldn’t even be able to know if it would pass over the American continents, let alone any specific target, and if they released it really close to the US coast wouldn’t the US have found out by now? High atmosphere winds are so unpredictable that there’s a reason it’s the poster child for what is called a “chaotic system”.
Also also, do you think China’s stupid? What, they just didn’t think the US would find it hovering in their airspace eventually and trace it back to them? If this was how they spy on other countries, then they’re so comedically bad at it that they post no threat to anyone, yet China’s supposed to be this super spying powerhouse? And then as soon as news broke out they just proceeded to acknowledge it was theirs? You’re allowed to lie and deflect in espionage. It’s a thing.
An interesting point to consider is that US shooting the balloon down sets the precedent that China can use to shoot down any US aircraft in their airspace under the same pretext.
Notably, Taiwan is part of Chinese airspace as well. This is the position held by the UN, and it’s the fundamental basis for having diplomatic relations between US and China per Potsdam Proclamation that was signed 77 years ago between China, the US & the UK. US state department website makes this crystal clear as well:
I don’t think China should be more cautious just because the US is being melodramatic. The article tries to end with a conciliatory conclusion, but China shouldn’t voluntarily concede ground to appease an irrational response.
Too many other countries and domestic politicals have made that mistake. The US will not be appeased. If you give ground they will strengthen their position against you while demanding further appeasements.
You are correct! The way they advise China to back off while the US is on edge is purely to seed the idea that it should be normal to yield to whatever the US wants to happen. Also seeds the idea that if the US does become hostile, that the Chinese should’ve known it would happen. It is like telling women that they shouldn’t have dressed a certain way if they didn’t want to be assaulted. It is like taking the side of a domestic abuser. The US has been told “yes” too many times and freaks out like a spoiled child that can’t handle any “noes” that come their way.
The balloon got brought up mostly jokingly at work the other day. And even folks that respectfully converse with me about politics but tend to disagree with me were calling it an overreaction. I said that if they did shoot it down, that I would love to see it be a big troll by China. Just normal sensors and a note that has a pic of Xi with something to the effect of “lol gotcha losers”. Or maybe letters from an elementary school class seeing if anyone would write back to let them know how far it got or something. lol
Like, they don’t need this for spying. Have you seen surveillance satellite technology lately? Like, we’re down to sub-centimeters of spatial resolution and clear enough images for a picture of a person taken from outer freaking space to be recognized by humans and facial recognization alike.
Also, as far as I know there was never anything in the way of steering it right? So if they wanted intel on anything specific like a military base or a research/development institution, this is totally useless. Depending on how far away they released it they wouldn’t even be able to know if it would pass over the American continents, let alone any specific target, and if they released it really close to the US coast wouldn’t the US have found out by now? High atmosphere winds are so unpredictable that there’s a reason it’s the poster child for what is called a “chaotic system”.
Also also, do you think China’s stupid? What, they just didn’t think the US would find it hovering in their airspace eventually and trace it back to them? If this was how they spy on other countries, then they’re so comedically bad at it that they post no threat to anyone, yet China’s supposed to be this super spying powerhouse? And then as soon as news broke out they just proceeded to acknowledge it was theirs? You’re allowed to lie and deflect in espionage. It’s a thing.
An interesting point to consider is that US shooting the balloon down sets the precedent that China can use to shoot down any US aircraft in their airspace under the same pretext.
Notably, Taiwan is part of Chinese airspace as well. This is the position held by the UN, and it’s the fundamental basis for having diplomatic relations between US and China per Potsdam Proclamation that was signed 77 years ago between China, the US & the UK. US state department website makes this crystal clear as well:
They write this, do something opposite and then they have the gall to accuse others of being “rogue states”.
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I don’t think China should be more cautious just because the US is being melodramatic. The article tries to end with a conciliatory conclusion, but China shouldn’t voluntarily concede ground to appease an irrational response.
Too many other countries and domestic politicals have made that mistake. The US will not be appeased. If you give ground they will strengthen their position against you while demanding further appeasements.
You are correct! The way they advise China to back off while the US is on edge is purely to seed the idea that it should be normal to yield to whatever the US wants to happen. Also seeds the idea that if the US does become hostile, that the Chinese should’ve known it would happen. It is like telling women that they shouldn’t have dressed a certain way if they didn’t want to be assaulted. It is like taking the side of a domestic abuser. The US has been told “yes” too many times and freaks out like a spoiled child that can’t handle any “noes” that come their way.
The balloon got brought up mostly jokingly at work the other day. And even folks that respectfully converse with me about politics but tend to disagree with me were calling it an overreaction. I said that if they did shoot it down, that I would love to see it be a big troll by China. Just normal sensors and a note that has a pic of Xi with something to the effect of “lol gotcha losers”. Or maybe letters from an elementary school class seeing if anyone would write back to let them know how far it got or something. lol
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Another interesting quote :
Nice methodology, could be useful next time someone like Pelosi would go somewhere with uncertain purpose.