NATO alleged that Russia messacred civilians in Bucha in cold blood. The images which served as evidence were pretty gut wrenching. You would expect that the media woild talk about it for more than two days but nope. You won’t hear about it anywhere.

Was there any investigation done into it?

From the beginning I had my doubts about this, for which I was vilified by people around me. I’d also be the first to apologize and say I’m wrong if it all turns out to be true.

That being said, after watching countless of videos and reading countless of takes on this, I have formed an opinion. My take on this is that civilians were killed by both Russian and Ukrainian sides during the fighting for Bucha. That’s wrong, but it unfortunately happens in war. People get caught in the crossfire. I don’t think both side had the intention of doing so. After the Russian army left Bucha, the Ukrainian army came in and killed collaborators (as they have been confirmed of doing on multiple other places) and tried to frame Russia for it.

Is Russia innocent in this war? No. Is Ukraine innocent in this war? Absolutely not. But claiming Russia just massacres civilians left and right is also wrong and I wish a lot more people stay critical of what’s happening.

More people need to keep in mind that while Russia’s invasion has positives to it in terms of challenging US hegemony, they are still military force and it would not be surprising if there was truth to war crime allegations.

War is the complete dehumanization of a populace. Give human beings guns and authority and atrocities will happen irrespective of state ideology.

This is a based take, critical thinking and reason has fallen out the arse during this war. You’re standard western propaganda is too pick a side and it smothers any discussion around the events in reality.

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This is a based take, critical thinking and reason has fallen out the arse during this war.

Critical thinking was rarely even there. Critical thinking is not a skill that is properly taught or promoted in education systems (to make people easy to control); so people often forget to critically think about major events.

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From the beginning I had my doubts about this, for which I was vilified by people around me. I’d also be the first to apologize and say I’m wrong if it all turns out to be true.

I’m gonna guess they’re liberals.

I wish a lot more people stay critical of what’s happening.

Critical thinking is difficult; because it’s counterintuitive to the human mind.

Also, critical thinking is not a skill that is properly taught or promoted in education systems; so people often forget to critically think about major events.

Agreed, especially in the west where we aren’t encouraged to do it unless it justifies support for our own countries bs.

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@Amicchan @DankZedong here a video to exercise critical thinking about Americans -> https://youtu.be/dcp0TYx_eUI

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