@ichbinilya: In an hour-long video, Glenn Greenwald gives credence to Russian claims that the Ukrainians were carrying out “emergency disposal” of dangerous pathogens they had been developing with US help. I'm going...…
This thread does a good rundown of why the whole pathogen biolab allegation is just a bunch disinformation. Like with many such claims, it’s appealing at first blush, but someone with more knowledge can spot that it’s misleading.
i’ve got to say, i got off twitter and started mostly reading wikipedia articles as my main source of information (combing through current events via legiblenews). i have yet to see misinformation slip through, like russia invaded ukraine to get rid of nazi’s and underworld biolabs. ** i’m trading immediacy for some sense of legitimacy.
for whatever reason, i think anything that is counter-media gets the spotlight on twitter and sometimes on lemmy. i’m all for not buying into what “they” want us to believe, but it’s sort of insane how people give anything conspiratorial the light of day. just because it’s what “they” don’t want to hear or what “they” “refuse” to publish doesn’t mean it’s real lol.
** yes, i’m aware there are nazi’s in ukraine. i’m also aware that nazi’s have snuck themselves into almost every crevasse of society. it’s fucking gross, but it’s certainly not what provoked this invasion.
yes, i’m aware there are nazi’s in ukraine. i’m also aware that nazi’s have snuck themselves into almost every crevasse of society. it’s fucking gross, but it’s certainly not what provoked this invasion.
Again, the issue is not that Nazis exist in Ukraine. It is that the US has been promoting Nazis and Nazism. And it is how influential these Nazis are. Only in a Ukraine could you have, in your capital city, a street named after a Nazi collaborator and holocaust abettor Stephan Bandera, who is also officially recognized as a national hero. And on this same street, you have a shopping mall where a swastika was boldly displayed in lights on the main staircase.
They are not sneaking in crevasses. They are out in the open. Characterizing it that way is minimization of Fascism. Kinda sus how they always choose this line of argument that the Nazis aren’t a big deal, as if there aren’t other arguments you could make against Russia. Very sus indeed.
Only in a Ukraine could you have, in your capital city, a street named after a Nazi collaborator and holocaust abettor Stephan Bandera, who is also officially recognized as a national hero.
Characterizing it that way is minimization of Fascism.
as opposed to the facist free Russian invasion?
perhaps hidden in crevasses was a poor choice of words, since i agree that they are everywhere and not very interested in concealing themselves. as of late, they have been increasingly vocal; it’s disgusting. what i meant to portray is that they are parasitic and it’s not a new endemic, they are and have been infiltrating government entities and mass-market corporations since 1945. it’s a separate (yet, important!) issue to tackle.
just the other week, i drove past a nazi demonstration with people waving swastika flags and wearing full-on nazi uniforms. out in the open, with megaphones, chanting out antisemitic slurs and doing that salute thing. in the us! we also have countless statues, memorials, streets, buildings, etc commemorating racist slave traders and “war-heroes”. through active protests and public outcry, we’ve slowly been seeing some movement in getting rid of this stuff. next, we have to work at the stopping the spread from where it starts. this isn’t achieved through bombing innocent civilians (nor sanctioning innocent civilians), but through a change in culture. that’s what praxis is all about. it’s a tired reference but Pedagogy of the Oppressed is how i started thinking differently about cultural movements.
my point is, it’s not the reason russia is invading. misconstruing that as a motivator is simply propaganda at work. we can and should work to eradicate vermin like them but i simply do not see how connecting the two is doing anything other than misplacing the frame of putin’s intent. it’s also a False Dilemma because the moment you point something like this out, people will make it out to seem as if you’re a facist or blindingly following the media’s support for ukraine. funnily enough, i might be doing the same to you. i simply just wish people could talk about these things without calling each other prejudiced.
Huh, that’s a neat source. And yes, it’s unhealthy to believe a counter-narrative merely because it is a counter-narrative. It’s a habit that’s present in many parts of society.
i’ve got to say, i got off twitter and started mostly reading wikipedia articles as my main source of information (combing through current events via legiblenews). i have yet to see misinformation slip through, like russia invaded ukraine to get rid of nazi’s and underworld biolabs. ** i’m trading immediacy for some sense of legitimacy.
for whatever reason, i think anything that is counter-media gets the spotlight on twitter and sometimes on lemmy. i’m all for not buying into what “they” want us to believe, but it’s sort of insane how people give anything conspiratorial the light of day. just because it’s what “they” don’t want to hear or what “they” “refuse” to publish doesn’t mean it’s real lol.
** yes, i’m aware there are nazi’s in ukraine. i’m also aware that nazi’s have snuck themselves into almost every crevasse of society. it’s fucking gross, but it’s certainly not what provoked this invasion.
Again, the issue is not that Nazis exist in Ukraine. It is that the US has been promoting Nazis and Nazism. And it is how influential these Nazis are. Only in a Ukraine could you have, in your capital city, a street named after a Nazi collaborator and holocaust abettor Stephan Bandera, who is also officially recognized as a national hero. And on this same street, you have a shopping mall where a swastika was boldly displayed in lights on the main staircase.
They are not sneaking in crevasses. They are out in the open. Characterizing it that way is minimization of Fascism. Kinda sus how they always choose this line of argument that the Nazis aren’t a big deal, as if there aren’t other arguments you could make against Russia. Very sus indeed.
https://untappedcities.com/2015/04/02/this-former-nazi-town-on-long-island-with-adolf-hitler-street-still-exists/ lol
as opposed to the facist free Russian invasion?
perhaps hidden in crevasses was a poor choice of words, since i agree that they are everywhere and not very interested in concealing themselves. as of late, they have been increasingly vocal; it’s disgusting. what i meant to portray is that they are parasitic and it’s not a new endemic, they are and have been infiltrating government entities and mass-market corporations since 1945. it’s a separate (yet, important!) issue to tackle.
just the other week, i drove past a nazi demonstration with people waving swastika flags and wearing full-on nazi uniforms. out in the open, with megaphones, chanting out antisemitic slurs and doing that salute thing. in the us! we also have countless statues, memorials, streets, buildings, etc commemorating racist slave traders and “war-heroes”. through active protests and public outcry, we’ve slowly been seeing some movement in getting rid of this stuff. next, we have to work at the stopping the spread from where it starts. this isn’t achieved through bombing innocent civilians (nor sanctioning innocent civilians), but through a change in culture. that’s what praxis is all about. it’s a tired reference but Pedagogy of the Oppressed is how i started thinking differently about cultural movements.
my point is, it’s not the reason russia is invading. misconstruing that as a motivator is simply propaganda at work. we can and should work to eradicate vermin like them but i simply do not see how connecting the two is doing anything other than misplacing the frame of putin’s intent. it’s also a False Dilemma because the moment you point something like this out, people will make it out to seem as if you’re a facist or blindingly following the media’s support for ukraine. funnily enough, i might be doing the same to you. i simply just wish people could talk about these things without calling each other prejudiced.
Huh, that’s a neat source. And yes, it’s unhealthy to believe a counter-narrative merely because it is a counter-narrative. It’s a habit that’s present in many parts of society.