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Russian government has never said they want to take control of Ukraine. What they want is Ukraine to be a neutral country that doesn’t join NATO. They’ve literally been asking for that for the past 8 years.

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Asking… or threating? It’s up to Ukraine what to do. They are a free country.

How anyone can be neutral if a neighbouring country is saying what to do?

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Nothing says you’re a free country like having NATO overthrow your government in a coup.

Unlike Russia trying to kill Zelensky in an attack?

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[citation needed]

No, their sovereignty was taken away by USA in 2014 Maidan coup d’etat.

By USA…? In short, it seems the people opposed the pro-Russian goverment and wanted a closer ties to EU instead. If that’s not something free people can do, what are the alternatives? If sovereignty is something to be worried about, why are you not criticizing Belarus or Russia? There people doesn’t even seem to have any options for opposing the government.

Go check Mearsheimer’s talk. Also, “Western liberal democracy” is an utter failure and has not particularly worked well anywhere yet.

And does invading neighbour countries with direct war work any better…? Using the identical logic based on what you said earlier, we could assume the sovereignty of Ukraine was taken away by Russia on 2010 :)

You are intentionally immoral and dishonest. Probably if your country gets invaded and colonised for a couple centuries, that will start putting some sense into Westerners like you. Mine was, and now another has indirect proxy colonisation.

Oh, our country has a long history about those events. I’m not trying to be immoral or dishonest, or even rude. Just pointing out that there are more than one side to the story.

Using the identical logic based on what you said earlier, we could assume

By USA…? In short, it seems the people opposed

something free people can do,

It’s up to Ukraine what to do. They are a free country.

…one side of the story which you intentionally ignore and deflect using wordsmith weaseling means. Checkmate.

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