Ivan Pavlov is a defense attorney specializing in crimes against the state. Since the 1990s, he has defended Russians charged with treason, espionage, and disclosing state secrets. In 2015, he founded Team29, an advocacy group for the right to access government information. The state’s resistance to Pavlov’s initiative eventually forced the group to close. Next, Ivan Pavlov and his colleagues established a new advocacy organization, Department One, this time with the mission of helping defendants in non-public trials, where secrecy enables all kinds of manipulations by the prosecution. While representing Ivan Safronov in a recent high-profile treason case, Pavlov himself was arrested and charged with violating the investigation’s secrecy. In September 2021, he emigrated to the Republic of Georgia. Deutsche Welle columnist Konstantin Eggert spoke with Pavlov in Tbilisi, asking him about Russia’s judiciary, his client’s 22-year prison sentence, the people who work in the FSB, and the lustration that could come to Russia, should the Putin regime collapse. With DW’s and Konstantin Eggert’s permission, Anna Razumnaya summarizes Ivan Pavlov’s remarks from an interview that originally appeared on Deutsche Welle’s Russian-language YouTube channel.