USA bad != Russia good
I come from Germany, we hate both of them here.
Where have I been the last 60 years? Nonexistent, mostly. Probably just like you. Stop this whataboutism
Again, NATOs eastward “expansion” is going on for 30 years, and it doesn’t happen by force but by those countries voluntarily joining it. And Russia is still doing great advertisements showing why someone should join NATO. They do this to themselves. The only thing forbidding this expansion is an old agreement with the Soviet Union, which still doesn’t exist.
And where is the 0.2% Nazis nonsense coming from
Good question, I don’t know where it’s coming from either. I don’t see it anywhere in this entire thread, so it must be coming from you. I already explained in another comment what a straw man is, thanks for the great example. You even combined it with Godwin’s law.
But since you bring it up, why doesn’t Russia bother getting rid of their own Nazis first? The Wagner Group? Why do they not-so-covertly sponsor many far-right parties in European countries? Why does a presence of Nazis even warrant an invasion? If Russia just never bothered annexing their land and sponsoring seperatists, things like Azov (which I assume is what you’re on about here) would have never even existed in the first place.
I didn’t suddenly “wake up” to this war by the way. I have friends and relatives in Ukraine, I have actually been there and seen the country and the people. Did you? I talked to people who were fighting the separatists, and who are fighting in Kiev now. The parents of a friend are stuck in Sumi right now, a shop next to their home was bombed a few days ago. They sure love being “liberated” by Russian artillery.
And before you say “whAt AboUT tHe USa??!”: yes they invade countries too and it’s bad too. Finally something we can agree on
I won’t feed this discussion any further
“A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)
Basically I claim that X is true, and someone debunks my claim by saying Y is false, while Y is actually something I never said
Countries joining NATO want to join NATO. The majority of people in Ukraine want to join NATO. Russia is currently demonstrating to the world exactly why Ukraine wants to join NATO. Also Russia knows exactly NATO would never dare to attack Russia, just like NATO knows exactly Russia would never dare to attack them. Russia (Putin) is not scared about a NATO attack, he’s scared he won’t be able to insert a puppet government in Ukraine ever again. Let’s not pretend it’s about something else.
NATOs eastward expansion (in the past 30 years, not 60) is the product of those countries wanting to be in NATO. The Warsaw Pact was with the Soviet Union. Not sure if you noticed, but the Soviet Union does not exist anymore. Oops. I want to introduce my own whataboutism here: what about the Budapest Memorandum that Russia broke in 2014 by annexing Crimea?
Yes NATO did bad things and will do bad things in the future. This does not legitimize Russias invasion at all.
And sorry for being silent about things going on in the world years ago, I was too young to understand shit at the time. But anyway, when there’s police fatally shooting hundreds of protesters, it’s a sign the Maidan revolution was absolutely necessary.
Even Chinese state media (CGTN) is criticizing the invasion.
Maybe just changing the DNS Servers would be sufficient in this case. Alternatively you might be able to play the stream by the direct playlist link: https://rt-glb.rttv.com/live/rtnews/playlist_4500Kb.m3u8 (in a media player like VLC or mpv). If all fails a VPN or Tor might still work.
Watching this stream shows great examples of straw men and whataboutisms
That picture is not from Mariupol. It’s in Irpin next to Kiev. And I have seen it before in the context of civilians using the bridge to hide from shelling. There’s a video of it too from some reporter in a language I don’t understand: https://twitter.com/La_SER/status/1500053681273724931
This does not look like civilians being held hostage at all.
As for the telegram video, it’s hard to verify. It’s not terribly hard to let some random woman say something in front of a camera. And looking at the rest of the channel, it seems to be an extremely pro-invasion channel as well. I guess we will have to wait until there are more details, but I highly doubt nobody was informed of the corridor.
And let’s not forget the most important part: If Russia simply didn’t invade, all of these humanitarian crises wouldn’t have existed in the first place