Was having a conversation with a mod who was upset that I downvoted their opinion. Apparently if you disagree, you are banned. Looking at you @CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml. I wouldn’t consider anything I did trolling or a violation of the rules of c/scandalzilla.

Here is the post if anyone wants to validate: https://lemmy.ml/post/163594

The situation is going a bit crazy from my POV.

While I am waiting for the other admins to finish the decision, I think it is a safe step to lock this.

If this needs to be re-open. You can notify me through messages here or I will re-open it after the decision is taken.

BTW, I think this is my first real decision as an admin. I hope it is good enough.

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@CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml shame on you

i wonder if they marked 8 days away on their calander xD

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Even though I have a similar ban currently - Lets be really careful not to pile up like a bunch of haters Use the voting buttons and and disengage from fighting where possible or we spiral to the bottom like Reddit.

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Yeah, I don’t downvote people because I disagree, only if they’re not contributing to the conversation and debasing it.

I’m planning on making a debate instance, and I’m pretty sure I want to disable downvotes for that 🤔

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And upvotes too?

I will upvote just because I agree, but I will also upvote things I disagree with if they make a good argument

Sorry. I meant if you disallow upvotes on your discussion forum

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Yeah I agree that it’s starting to get a little pitchforky, but mostly, people are just sharing similar experiences with the mod - which is good, because a shared dialogue about a series of bad behavior helps to inform the community. As for using the voting buttons, that’s all well and good, yeah. Always vote.

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I’ve only ever seen posts from them that are mostly power abuse. They act like they’re better than anyone else and bans anyone who disagrees. They very much have an inferiority complex.

Edit: I came to lemmy to avoid people high on power, not have the powermods of Reddit come to take over here as well.

If someone mods more than 5 communities I’m generally wary of them.

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We’re discussing it in the admin chat whether to do anything about them. They have mostly been doing it on their own communities, but to me having lemmy be a pleasant experience is more important than mod’s “freedom to do what they want with their communities”.

Respect for discussing it, regardless of the outcome. Even if you end up going with allowing the mods to have free reign, I’m glad that it’s going to be discussed instead of turning a blind eye like Reddit does.

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The user reported it with no reason and then aggressively down-vote everything + providing no evidence for his argument, even if community rules are clear on that, this is not discussing, it is trying to find arguments to justify that I take legitimate content down, which I will not be a part of.

The smart way is to block users as well as communities in your settings instead of making it worse, creating more work for the moderators and then cry afterwards when you get banned for not providing any evidence at all.

You btw reported the topic it for no reason, except troll without providing anything, not evidence just nothing. I think if you accuse others of childish behavior you need to see the full picture first.

That you have interest here in this is thread is crystal clear, you dislike I did not take his content down or ban the user, now you pretend you discuss anything or that you have interest in discussion, you did not even had the respect to discuss this, you simply report it.

I never take legitimate things down, even if people want me to do that, his post is and remains legitimate and there is nothing to debate here.

It does not surprises me that Reddit hides such things because the drama is not worth it, he got banned, cannot handle it and here we are. Simple payback.

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I’m glad to hear that its being discussed, but I’m not sure what the best course of action would be in this scenario. It seems that each has their drawbacks, including doing nothing.

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Chef-Koch is NOT a suitable mod. Please, he has a history of steal others works and be a total jerk during discussion. Don’t give this kind of power to a person who will abuse it. I know you are in a difficult time, but please keep attention to who you are giving mod’s power Edit: I’m stupid and thought this was “admin” privilege, sorry. I was terrified for a moment

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  • I reviewed the OP user as well as his content, or in this case his question and my decision on this is okay and justified. People dislike it for no reason, just report it with - troll - without anything and I reviewed it again. No evidence for or against provided, just random people who clown up, because they dislike I post historical events from Mozilla.
  • I do not ban users based on user names or what others people want me to do here, that actually would be abuse.
  • There was no power abuse, it was response to aggressive trolling smear and discredit someone which was misconducted by the Jessie. I took action to protect the topic as per community rules.

Here are the bogus reports - what a surprise that same people clown-up here as payback revenge - because I do not approved their nonsense reports. Most of those reports before they already showed up in the thread, so their disagreed that I did not remove this and aggressively tried to turn this around, THIS is what happened.

People got banned for much less without any drama afterwards.

This entire thread is to smear me, and the community I created. I am also not a Lemmy Mod, I moderate some communities here, so even the title is already misleading and clickbait. It is also already against Lemmy ToS, because he cannot handle he got banned and that is bottom line here. So he creates a which hunt. I like to remind everyone that such topics directly violate Tos and code of conduct, yet I do not even report this here.

The smart decision is to block users or communities if you disagree entirely because there is nothing to get from. Now people trying to support him because they might also got banned by me for trolling or have other problems with my content.

So this is typical case of payback action. Nothing to see here. I explained everything very well.

Last statement from me on this.

There was no abuse, not to any time. He got banned for various reason check the mod log.

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Witch hunt or not I remember you being an absolutely insufferable prick in the linux sub the other day (yes yes, I was better at it than you, I know) so I find this all absolutely hilarious that the chickens are coming home to roost. Btw since you wanted me to “RePoRt BaCk” to the post you think I shouldn’t have made and I haven’t yet done that: Fedora works fine, everything worked “out of the box” and I already learned a lot of file ops and nav in terminal, thanks for not helping! And blue still sucks, green ftw.

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Payback action here, still crying.

Nice. You deserve worse. Use your time maybe learn Linux instead of insulting others, how about that.

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It is a “Payback action” to speak about a true event? What are you the Ministry of truth? Crying because I’m laughing so hard more like it lol you scrub.

I am, is it ok with you that I don’t use every waking second to learn how to use the terminal? Because I’m taking a shit rn and don’t feel like waddling to the computer.

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True is that you cannot handle criticism and abuse this thread to slander me, reality, yes.

You called me again a prick, I reported this now. I will continue to do with every new insult until this thread gets closed, the bottom line is that you make Firefox community look bad because they love drama and abuse every opportunity to discredit each one another, this is actual the real hate.

OP does not get unbanned, no matter how hard you argue here.

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Your criticism is worthless, it isn’t constructive and is in essence just you being condeacending and complaining about other’s use of YOUR internet.

I called you a prick like I call you a lemmy user, they are simply true. Got a problem with truth? Report to your heart’s content my dude, freedom of speech is a removed though so I’m not sure if it’ll help ya, maybe, we shall see. I make a community I’m not in look bad? Sure bud whatever helps you sleep.

I don’t care about op or his ban, I’m just laughing at you and the drama you create, most comments in here are about how you are a mega jerk and this is the second post I have seen directly complaining about YOU, I am not the problem here, YOU are. “If you meet five assholes in a day, you were probably the asshole.”

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I create no drama since I did not created this shameless thread which is designed to slander me.

I don’t care about op or his ban, I’m just laughing at you and the drama you create, most comments in here are about how you are a mega jerk and this is the second post I have seen directly complaining about YOU, I am not the problem here, YOU are.

I respond to slander and you exposed yourself as troll now.

Yup, he banned me for criticizing a bloomberg article lol

I feel like he can do his thing on his own communities, but it is annoying when he posts in !linux, and then when the post becomes popular, he deletes it =/

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Fun fact is that this user that I banned here wanted to abuse his voice to take a legitimate question down.

Ironic isn’t it.

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Damn at this point I feel like we need c/lemmydrama

Yes please, all of this is hilarious

That sublemmy is something I am not comfortable with in the first place. It is clear the place is intended to drum up drama using conspiratorial hot takes, because Mozilla is a prominent entity. Think of it like banking off Mozilla’s status.

Mozilla may have its share of issues, but the rules laid out on that sublemmy made my eyes wide open for a moment.

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That account (chefkoch) really is an aggressive and full of logical fallacies one, I would suggest you to avoid discussing with it

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And he stole other people works in the past too https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/issues/323

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Oh they sound lovely /s

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@CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml super bad look dude

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For him, not me, I agree.

what the fuck

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Oh my god… thanks for sharing

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Debunked here.

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Linking walls of text filled with links to your own blog isn’t debunking. Its a straight up fascist tactic to denounce others positions since no one is going to read. How about you actually explain yourself in a comment instead of posting a link to your blog.

Not to mention you didn’t actually debunk any of their evidence, its just a rant about doxing and TOS violations. Crying about ‘doxing’ then listing a bunch of users you dont like it the same post? Come on dude.

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Yeah, seem to have learned that the hard way. I just wanted to make a post to bring awareness.

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Yes I think you did nothing bad by mentioning and problem

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You never talked with me.

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Yeah I never said that

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Then this is baseless claim.

That account (chefkoch) really is an aggressive and full of logical fallacies one,…

You contradict yourself, only logical problem I see in the attempt to clown around here. You do not know me, we never spoken before and you have no right to judge me.

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I was judging from your posts and commebts I saw on Lemmy, not trolling. Also I would be happy to be wrong, so I’ll check next days if your behaviour changes

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You cannot judge something if you do not know the entire story, and I clearly revealed this. You are not involved and therefore no reason to judge me or take what OP claims serious.

This is just another - I got banned and cannot handle it - story, hope we can move on, the user is not worth the fake drama. Everyone is happily to add something useful to my content I post, but do not fake report someone and cry afterwards. Judgment calls I made are also not abuse.

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This is all toxic behaviour, can’t you see it? You should just calm down and try not to be aggressive. I never said you were aggressive with me, I just expressed an opinion. If you don’t like it you have to accept it and answer, not using powers like you did some times. Anyways, why instead of spreading hate against Firefox don’t you try spreading info on alternatives? Hate is something that blinds our minds and creates a suffocating experience in Lemmy

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The entire thing is childish, I agree.

I do not go into apple community, down-vote everything because I want to enforce my bias on something and then fake report statements from others users and seriously expect I should not protect people from my community who just ask a legitimate question just because a troll does not like it.

You judge me without knowing me, I responded. What you do is slander and to smear me without actually have spoken to me. If you are not involved you ignore it and move on, that is what adults do, and if you cannot stand a community you block it in your settings, same goes for users. There is an option.

I spread no hate against Firefox, m Community is about history of Mozilla, Firefox is part of that history, if people cannot stand Mozilla failures and trying to wrongfully defend that then this is their ego problem. If we are not even allowed to express our opinion on a professional manner than we can close the the forum.

Respect is if you tolerate, the user never tolerated to begin with, he reported, speculated something into OPs post that is entirely speculation and I protected my user and I would do it again.

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Yeah he’s been like this for a while. Quite an ass he has been.

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I’m definitely surprised. I’ve received messages now about how they hand out bans like candy to anyone who disagrees with them.

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Unreal.

The thing that did it for me was when they posted a very controversial link about how the 5g is harmful while blocking comments to avoid any discussion. I’ve blocked them right after that.

Someone like that is obviously on a power trip and will do more harm than good to Lemmy.

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He’s not the only mod who’s abusing his powers. !privacy@lemmy.ml and !technology@lemmy.ml have the same problem. A reason, why I have banned this coms on my instance.

Why not discuss in the open about issues, like this post? I am sure a constructive approach is to document evidence and demonstrate a clear conclusion to the masses.

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Anyone that cares about their privacy should steer clear of communities that say they’re about privacy. They always turn into shit shows and echo chambers. Not to mention they’re usually on platforms that dont actually respect your privacy.

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I somewhat disagree. The quality of posts and responses varies but where else would you discuss privacy if not in a privacy forum? :D I’ve also read and learned and shared on e.g. r/privacy.

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That people claim after they got banned abuse is as old as the internet.

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You got banned for your own reasons, your failed to attempt to discredit and smear someone else valid question. Even after showing you that his question was more than okay you refused to accept it, down-voted without valid argument and even in advance tried to bring the entire thread down by reporting it.

In retro perspective

  • You down-voted every thread in this community, and every single post and legitimate answer. If you do not like it block users as well as the community, there is no point in arguing about historical events if you have nothing to add.
  • You enforce your bias on others with failed attempts to take this down.
  • You reported this thread in advance like a child because you did not liked what OP, or for that matter the community has to offer.
  • You had no evidence, this is against community rules, I banned you for that and your intolerance against other members who just wanted to ask a question and even after explaining you that this is okay you continued.
  • This thread is against Lemmy Code of Conduct but I do not report it, it exposes you as an awful being which no one should have in his community. Which is clear after the drama stunt you pull here.
  • You only 8 days timeout, now you made it worse, for you. If that was your goal, kudos … you won.

My choice was correct. I banned all others now who abused the report function, without any legit reason just to troll me and the community.

Have a good day, you ban will now be indefinitely.

Nothing further to discuss here, I will now block every troll in this thread.

You down-voted every thread in this community, and every single post and legitimate answer. If you do not like it block users as well as the community, there is no point in arguing about historical events if you have nothing to add.

banning people for down-voting???

You enforce your bias on others with failed attempts to take this down.

wat?

You reported this thread in advance like a child because you did not liked what OP, or for that matter the community has to offer.

it was a valid report. Also is reporting unreasonable now?

Wtf are you doing…

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I do not ban for down-vote, this is your wrong interpretation of the whole picture. I added it to show his bias.

It was no valid report I contradicted it.

I ban trolls as I am supposed to do.

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Your contradiction was in fact, not a contradiction, but a thinly veiled attempt to feel correct. I think myself and many others agree that this was you overstepping. I reported the post once for violating three rules, and you call that report abuse? You could have just said that it didn’t break rules and atop there but I didn’t “abuse” anything. Its also not against the rules to downvote something I deem to be poor quality content.

Edit: blocked, given your history and other user experiences with you.

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Blocking isn’t enough. There will eventually be another one of these posts when he pisses off the next person with an unfounded ban.

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Ah yes, the good old “jUsT asKiNg qUEstiOns”… Has never been associated with trolling/(click)bait and was always a start of a good discussion.

!()[https://c.tenor.com/2GoRIWk3MjwAAAAC/what-im-just-asking-a-question.gif]

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Ah yes the good old racist stereotypes you pin on others. People are allowed to ask questions, if you like it or not, happens in asklemmy, linux etc communities all the time and they do not get banned because of this.

It is part of community behavior which is normal and allowed.

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WOAH WOAH WOAH, people are allowed to ask questions in linux if you like it or not now?! This is a stark difference from you being mad I asked a question in linux last week, during which I informed you that other people get to use the internet despite your protests, glad to see I got through to you! Lmao I’m loving this tbh.

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People are also allowed to

  • Google
  • Disagree
  • Agree
  • Express their professional opinions
  • Giving guidance
  • Block others, there is an option in the settings
  • Block the community if you entirely dislike it
  • Clear this via DM instead of creating public drama

I reported you now, you make this here as payback action after you disagree in the Linux sub, this is off-topic. You smear me, calling me constantly a prick, dick and god knows what. You are the only one who is rude.

OP was banned not for asking question because he undermines other people that just asked normal question about the relationship between google and Mozilla.

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And people are also allowed to

•call you a prick, especially since they’re right.

•be condescending like you are

•be rude back or make posts talking about it.

So it seems we are at an impasse. I will report you for dishing it out but not being able to take it. I didn’t make shit, I found this post, and found it hilarious, so I commented my related information. Hardly “payback action” lmao. Is it “payback action” to report on something someone said? Maybe don’t say it then and then nobody will say you did.

And it sure looks like OP was banned for having the audacity to speak against “Chef Cock” or “Ed Koch” or whatever your name is.

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I report you for constantly calling me a prick and then justify it with the worlds - since they’re right -.

Your entire existence here on Lemmy is to troll others.

4 user poster once again, nothing to help or add except insulting others.

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The only user I have trolled is you (admittedly, I am trolling you), this again goes back to the ever famous “Five Assholes” theory.

Sorry I don’t use lemmy as much as you, I guess that makes me inferior huh? Get a job lmao.

For a meaningful discussion it needs a balance between questions and answers. Hiding behind questions because you do not have answers (i.e. evidence) is rubbish IMO. Why post something if you have nothing to say?

Also, no one said anything about racist stereotypes… sorry to hear the image resonates with you.

I am not involving myself into this whole stuff too much, but this line sounds really dystopian.

Why post something if you have nothing to say?

Snowden warned against that attitude.

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deleted by creator

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deleted by creator

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That’s why you should read the post and comments and not base your opinions on a simplified screenshot. No need to be toxic. I also don’t really care about what you think of me.

Everything about Lemmy; bugs, gripes, praises, and advocacy.

For discussion about the lemmy.ml instance, go to !meta@lemmy.ml.

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