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Bulgaria refused to pay, should they send it for free? Actually Germany said it would pay from the beginning. Austria, Hungary and Slovakia also said so i think. Im sorry for bulgarians because they dont deserve this but this is the bulgarian governments fault, not Russias.
Source on refusing to pay? The only country I’ve read that has officially agreed to pay in roubles is Hungary. I dont think our gov has said anything concretely. You have to understand that we are in a very unstable political situation rn - our current government came after several elections last year, when the CDU sponsored mafia-linked GERB party which ruled for a decade finally fell from power after huge protests out of which several new parties came to the stage. The gov now is a very loose coalition of these parties plus the socialist party and things are very slow, chaotic and unpredictable as all these different parties are pushing their own interests. We are having a hard time dealing with our own things let alone this bullshit.
According to our media we have made the payments in dollars, which Gazprom then returned. No new contract has been made to pay in roubles, and our gov says that they can’t comply with demands outside a contract. Also I can’t find a single source that claims that Germany has agreed to pay in roubles, all the msm news say they have refused it.
You claimed Germany agreed from the start to pay in roubles, yet even your source says they refuse that and will continue paying in Euros, as their contract allows that. Our contract is in dollars, and we have made the payment. Our gov has not refused to pay in roubles if the contract is renegotiated. We can’t just open a bank account and wire money to Russia, hoping to receive gas, that’s why contracts exist, right?
Italy’s development comes after Russia stopping our gas, so it’s not a fair example. Slovakia’s is just a statement, but they also haven’t done anything yet. Again, Hungary is the only one that has officially agreed, but they have Orban’s strongman politics and personal relationship with Putin, we have a very loose coalition of 4 parties that disagree on everything. Russia could have cut us some slack, instead they chose to use as a warning for the big countries because we are inconsequential to their market.
“We cant just open a bank account” actually you can, Hungary and Italy just did it, no need to renegotiate anything. Seriously dude, stop believing what your US puppet government tells you. Russia announced this 1 month ago, your government had 1 MONTH to get its shit together and they even refused to SAY that they would do so, while other countries already had. Russia is the most sanctioned country on earth and is engaged in a war for its own survival. Meanwhile your government is actively attacking Russia, by participating in mass sanctions, which included seizing HALF of the Russian Central Banks ENTIRE assets. Bulgaria has US military bases, which could attack Russia at any time, and since a few years the US has even been talking about placing nuclear missiles in Bulgaria. I dont care if you think its “a breach of contract”, you are engaged in an active war against Russia. Russia would be well in its right to cut off gas to all of Europe. And yet, all they asked was to get paid in rubles, so the ruble can recovery from the brutal sanctions YOUR GOVERNMENT imposed, and also to get the euros that will then be converted into rubles deposited in a russian bank, instead of a european bank as before, so that they cannot be seized by the EU if they place more sanctions.
“We have a very lose coalition” Stop believing the lies your government tells you. In my country Spain they say the same bs, “oh no we have to reach an agreement, these are the difficulties of democracy” bla bla bla. The truth is when the bourgeoisie or the EU wants a reform, such as changing the constitution to allow more privatization and shock therapy, they all immediately agree and the vote passes. This is just an excuse, the reality is they chose to not do anything and this is only their fault. Stop believing their lies.
You have still failed to answer why out of all of Europe we are the ones to have our gas stopped first, when the only nation to pay in roubles before that was Hungary? And don’t lecture me on politics in my own country when you can’t possibly know anything about it. The “loose coalition” argument is true - we had to go through 3 elections in a year until it was even formed, and it is very likely that it will collapse soon and we’ll have to go to elections again. Why can’t you understand that decision making in this situation and Hungary’s situation are vastly different? I am not disputing that the gov are US puppets no matter who comes to power. Your claims about Bulgaria engaging in war against Russia and “Russia fighting for its survival” on the territory of a neighbour country are ridiculous.
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Bulgaria refused to pay, should they send it for free? Actually Germany said it would pay from the beginning. Austria, Hungary and Slovakia also said so i think. Im sorry for bulgarians because they dont deserve this but this is the bulgarian governments fault, not Russias.
Source on refusing to pay? The only country I’ve read that has officially agreed to pay in roubles is Hungary. I dont think our gov has said anything concretely. You have to understand that we are in a very unstable political situation rn - our current government came after several elections last year, when the CDU sponsored mafia-linked GERB party which ruled for a decade finally fell from power after huge protests out of which several new parties came to the stage. The gov now is a very loose coalition of these parties plus the socialist party and things are very slow, chaotic and unpredictable as all these different parties are pushing their own interests. We are having a hard time dealing with our own things let alone this bullshit.
Italy: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-27/eni-prepares-to-open-ruble-accounts-for-gas-as-eu-warns-firms
Germany: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/31/germany-braces-for-an-end-to-reliance-on-russian-gas
Hungary: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungary-working-solution-pay-russian-gas-may-foreign-minister-2022-04-06/
Slovakia: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/slovak-minister-says-paying-roubles-could-be-an-option-country-needs-gas-2022-04-03/
This source claims that Bulgaria satisfied the current contract, but I do not know if the contract was officially redrawn and accepted by both parties to include payments in roubles.
According to our media we have made the payments in dollars, which Gazprom then returned. No new contract has been made to pay in roubles, and our gov says that they can’t comply with demands outside a contract. Also I can’t find a single source that claims that Germany has agreed to pay in roubles, all the msm news say they have refused it.
All that Bulgaria had to do was open an account in Gazprombank and pay there in euros, which are then sold by the bank for rubles which are then paid to Gazprom. Bulgaria doesnt need rubles, only euros and an account at Gazprombank. Many countries including Italy ( https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-27/eni-prepares-to-open-ruble-accounts-for-gas-as-eu-warns-firms ), Germany ( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/31/germany-braces-for-an-end-to-reliance-on-russian-gas ), Hungary ( https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungary-working-solution-pay-russian-gas-may-foreign-minister-2022-04-06/ ) and Slovakia ( https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/slovak-minister-says-paying-roubles-could-be-an-option-country-needs-gas-2022-04-03/ ) have done so already. Clearly the US used Poland and Bulgaria to test what Russia would do if the EU didnt pay by forcing their governments to not pay. And now bulgarians and poles will suffer because of this. Absolutely despicable.
You claimed Germany agreed from the start to pay in roubles, yet even your source says they refuse that and will continue paying in Euros, as their contract allows that. Our contract is in dollars, and we have made the payment. Our gov has not refused to pay in roubles if the contract is renegotiated. We can’t just open a bank account and wire money to Russia, hoping to receive gas, that’s why contracts exist, right?
Italy’s development comes after Russia stopping our gas, so it’s not a fair example. Slovakia’s is just a statement, but they also haven’t done anything yet. Again, Hungary is the only one that has officially agreed, but they have Orban’s strongman politics and personal relationship with Putin, we have a very loose coalition of 4 parties that disagree on everything. Russia could have cut us some slack, instead they chose to use as a warning for the big countries because we are inconsequential to their market.
“We cant just open a bank account” actually you can, Hungary and Italy just did it, no need to renegotiate anything. Seriously dude, stop believing what your US puppet government tells you. Russia announced this 1 month ago, your government had 1 MONTH to get its shit together and they even refused to SAY that they would do so, while other countries already had. Russia is the most sanctioned country on earth and is engaged in a war for its own survival. Meanwhile your government is actively attacking Russia, by participating in mass sanctions, which included seizing HALF of the Russian Central Banks ENTIRE assets. Bulgaria has US military bases, which could attack Russia at any time, and since a few years the US has even been talking about placing nuclear missiles in Bulgaria. I dont care if you think its “a breach of contract”, you are engaged in an active war against Russia. Russia would be well in its right to cut off gas to all of Europe. And yet, all they asked was to get paid in rubles, so the ruble can recovery from the brutal sanctions YOUR GOVERNMENT imposed, and also to get the euros that will then be converted into rubles deposited in a russian bank, instead of a european bank as before, so that they cannot be seized by the EU if they place more sanctions.
“We have a very lose coalition” Stop believing the lies your government tells you. In my country Spain they say the same bs, “oh no we have to reach an agreement, these are the difficulties of democracy” bla bla bla. The truth is when the bourgeoisie or the EU wants a reform, such as changing the constitution to allow more privatization and shock therapy, they all immediately agree and the vote passes. This is just an excuse, the reality is they chose to not do anything and this is only their fault. Stop believing their lies.
You have still failed to answer why out of all of Europe we are the ones to have our gas stopped first, when the only nation to pay in roubles before that was Hungary? And don’t lecture me on politics in my own country when you can’t possibly know anything about it. The “loose coalition” argument is true - we had to go through 3 elections in a year until it was even formed, and it is very likely that it will collapse soon and we’ll have to go to elections again. Why can’t you understand that decision making in this situation and Hungary’s situation are vastly different? I am not disputing that the gov are US puppets no matter who comes to power. Your claims about Bulgaria engaging in war against Russia and “Russia fighting for its survival” on the territory of a neighbour country are ridiculous.
I think this guy won the argument, although comrade Hussien provided many more sources, so IDK
So why do you think Russia is targeting bulgaria?
I mean they have it, you want it. Sucks for you guys, it’s a market. probably would not have been a problem in the USSR.